What do our two mayors do in the City of Cuyahoga Falls and Silver Lake Village?

wmfr March 14, 2013 at 02:05 pm

Lay off Lou - He's a good guy, I think he does need to be more specific though, any cahnce for a follow-up article?

Lou Schott March 14, 2013 at 02:06 pm

To: Sumco Res,
Thank you for the comment. At the same time, I must tell you that the process we are using was used to control the costs at Goodyear. I have used this process before. I know that it works. If you would like to meet then we can discuss it in detail. I would feel more comfortable if you were using your real name. On the other hand, if you want to believe that I am operating in a moment of delusional grandeur then I will include you in my list of co-dependents.

Lou Schott March 14, 2013 at 02:09 pm

To: wmfr,
Yes. We will progress slowly to the point where we can all participate in capturing the solution statements or answers to our shared list of questions. WE (all of us) will learn something. This is a process. To my knowledge, no one has every tried this process in the online public arena -- before

Scott Gatrell March 14, 2013 at 02:56 pm

Lou, I asked you to state YOUR goal yesterday, and like the true community organizer you report to be, you answered with some kind of garbage about your process and putting a man on the moon. This is not rocket science. Munroe Falls and Cuyahoga Falls do not need your purpose statement. They do not need a mutual defense pact for gallactic domination. If you don't like your mayor, send him an email. As usual, you are trying to hide your true intentions. Perhaps you can get a job at the White House with our Pretender In Chief since you both like to call yourselves Comunity Organizers. Oh, that's right, you are a Comunity Advocate, ya Organizer. Have you paid your dues to CPUSA yet? I hear they are trying to contact you on the internet. Take your meds! And I bid you good day!

Scott Gatrell March 14, 2013 at 08:33 pm

So, Lou. Ive been checking out your website. Interesting and accomplished bio! I applaude your accomplishments! I am curious however about why you would post articles about Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin. It looks like you are advertising yourself and your system, but then out of no where I find these articles on these less than desireable people from the past with no explanation as to why you have them on your site. I've got to say I am very concerned about the lack of explanation in anything that you post both on your site, and here on the patch. It leaves you open to some very unflattering interpretation in my view. Do you have any explanation for any of this? Not that you owe me one, but you put this all out here for everyone to see. What's up with you? It also says on your web site that you like to listen to others, but you have your comments are locked so that no one can leave you a comment. You seem like a very conflicted person. Hey patch, are you guys paying any attention to this stuff?

Lou Schott March 14, 2013 at 10:01 pm

To: Scott and all of the kind people who may want to consider all of the questions that we might to ask ourselves,
Thank you for reading some of what is on one of my websites. I included the articles on Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin because they make a statement of what can happen to leaders who go off the track. All of them used a command and control leadership style and operated in fear and anger. I also included articles on Lincoln and Churchill to examine how they were similar and different to Hitler and his contemporaries. The other option is to operate with the intent to spread trust and respect. Scott, I hope this helps our community operate at ever more useful levels of conversation. I am reasonably certain that many highly skilled people would run for an elected office if they knew how handle attacks on themselves. Maybe, just maybe, we could ask our readers to examine our process.

Scott Gatrell March 14, 2013 at 11:13 pm

Well, I suppose its an explanation, but I do not agree with your methods. The end does not necessarily justify the means. Why be so cryptic in all of your writing? All I can say is "good luck with all of this!" I still do not believe you are being entirely forthcoming.

Lou Schott March 15, 2013 at 01:28 pm

Hi Scott and all of the other kind people who want the best for our community,
Your question was, "Why be so cryptic in all of your writing? When I worked at Goodyear, I was trained to write clearly and precisely. If an engineer failed to write with precision then big money could get spent without a benefit. I have adapted by writing style -- a little to the needs of the Internet. At the same time, I know that people can easily misunderstand and rush to a judgment. Here is the link to my summary of the book that we used in our training. https://sites.google.com/site/tnl30000/write-to-inform

Lou Schott March 15, 2013 at 01:43 pm

Hi Scott and of our other kind readers who spend their precious time in this shared moment of eternity,
I see you writing, "I still do not believe you are being entirely forthcoming." Please allow me to slightly reframe your statement -- as follows: Can we (you and I) agree to try and earn each others trust and respect? If so, then we can proceed to discover our similarities. If we first focus on our differences in an environment of fear and anger then we will never get to discover our similarities. As a starter, I respect your right to defer granting anyone trust and respect -- without any evidence to grant trust and respect. Please let us know your feeling and thoughts on this comment.

Scott Gatrell March 15, 2013 at 02:50 pm

Hi Lou, I certainly respect your rights, constitutional freedoms etc. Trust? You know, I think YOU believe that you are trying to contribute something. My problem with your writing is that "in my view" you have completely over complicated what you are trying to do. I can barely see through the fog of your words. This leaves me to fill in the blanks for myself. I must be honest here. Your self proclaimed title "Comunity Advocate" bothers me. It smacks of socialist connotations. Your desire for some grand design also seems to indicate at least left, if not socialist, views. This country, our entire foundation for government at all levels, was designed to guarantee the rights of indiviuals. Now I'm not saying that you are necessarily in direct conflict with these ideals because it is very difficult to really see what your end goals are. But, I will say that you are not someone I would trust based on what you have written thus far. We have very good people in our local government from both sides of the isle. I am comfortable saying this even though I will admit that I am a staunch conservative. I am extremely impressed with the way my Mayor and City Council work together for the benefit of the residents of Cuyahoga Falls. City Government is managed by adhering to standards, ordinances etc., with a bit of innovation applied within those rules of law. The net you are attempting to cast far too broad of an idea to really be of any use in my opinion.

Lou Schott March 15, 2013 at 02:52 pm

Hi Scott,
When can we meet eyeball to eyeball?

Scott Gatrell March 15, 2013 at 07:00 pm

Nose to nose? What do you hope to gain? Anything you would say to sway my opinion should be said right here, out in the open. But then I have repeatedly asked you to state your goal, and you have repeatedly beat around the bush never actually coming clean with regard to what it is that you want. This is getting old Lou. I am not one to allow another to "Organize" me. If I see a sheep with a wolf's tail, I call that a wolf in a sheep's costume, not a sheep. I'm calling you out right here, right now Lou. I have already told you I consider myself to be conservative, and staunchly so on some issues. Your political views are vital to the conversation you started Lou. So again I ask, where do you stand politicly since you seem so determined to experiment with introducing your "process" and your "purpose" into our city government? The longer you delay in giving a strait answer to this question, the more it appears to me that you are hiding political views in order to further "Lou's" agenda!

wmfr March 15, 2013 at 08:15 pm

Both of you come across as oddballs and after reading each reply.

Lou Schott March 15, 2013 at 09:07 pm

To: Scott,
How can the rest of us confirm that you are a real person?

Scott Gatrell March 15, 2013 at 09:14 pm

Hey, you may have a point there. Lol! I would really love to hear an answer to that last question though. If not, well, I hope Lou has a good relaxing weekend. Is that a cat in his photo? I love cats! That is something Lou and I would have in common.

Scott Gatrell March 15, 2013 at 09:16 pm

How bout the same way I found your web site. Lol! I'm not hiding Lou.

Sumco Res March 16, 2013 at 12:48 pm

Scott - His illusions of grandeur preclude his ability to rationally solve any of his perceived community issues. Any of his alleged computer talents are actually the efforts of his children. Perhaps we should take pity on Lou, for it is not polite to joust with the mentally disturbed. But, he presents such an open target time after time that it is hard to resist. He may call himself a "community advocate" but I can assure you that the common perception is he is the village idiot. He is as welcome at public meetings as ants are at a picnic. Anyone who would advocate using empty houses in town as school classrooms as a way to "save money" (as he did at one community meeting) just isn't wrapped too tight. I truly feel sorry for his children.

Lou Schott March 16, 2013 at 01:11 pm

To: Sumco Res and all of our other people who have the capacity to attack the person and the not problems,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings. As near as I can see from your writing, you are operating as follows: -- With feelings of fear and anger -- With information from real people who operate with real names -- With an intent to sabotage by using an anonymous name. Do you understand (that as you attack my person), you also enable me to train others (who might run for political office) in the future? In my pursuit to inform and involve all of our community members by using an honest, open, and responsible process, I will again offer to meet with Scott and now you. I suggest that we meet in one of our two police stations. We can ask an officer of the law to facilitate our conversation. Thank you again for helping those of us who want to build a community based on trust and respect.

wmfr March 16, 2013 at 02:38 pm

Some very nasty people on here posting. Lou has lost my attention but there's no reason to bully people online.

Scott Gatrell March 16, 2013 at 08:36 pm

To:Sumco Res Yes, I agree that I may be a bit hard on Lou. But still, REALLY LOU? Now you are training your minions??!! Wow!

Lou Schott March 16, 2013 at 10:29 pm

To: Scott, Sumco, and all of our others kind people who want to compete to cooperate and cooperate to compete.
Actually, this is real simple. See this link for an example. https://sites.google.com/site/cfoslvefriends/emulate-khan-academy/compare Have you ever gone to a creative problem solving workshop? Thank you again for asking questions. When you ask questions then you can avoid diminishing other people with the trash talk.

Jeff March 19, 2013 at 05:09 pm

Lou - As a self proclaimed community advocate, and your wonderful training at Goodyear, you must know the most important thing here is a person's ability to communicate. Regardless of how well you think you are communicating, the posts here indicate otherwise. If you were communicating clearly, people would be communicating WITH you about your subject, and NOT about how you are communicating. You can't point the fingers at others when they state you're not clear. It's their fault, not yours? A true communicator knows how to alter their message so it reaches the intended audience.
Keep in mind that most people haven't had your training, or care about you and your blogs whatsoever. This is YOUR problem to overcome, if you are to gain respect in your self appointed title. Do YOU have the skills to do this, and do YOU have the guts to ask yourself the tough questions as to how to overcome this communication obstacle to alter YOUR method of communication to be effective in YOUR mission here on The Patch? This blog mission is yours. Fail to communicate and get respect, and your mission fails. You are the one with the problem here. If your message is convoluted, tedious, or otherwise a perceived waste of time, it gets ignored. Use your "Creative Problem Solving" skills and extensive training to solve your problem. If your audience goes away, your mission will fail. I hope you can change this, since your original purpose seems well intended, even if poorly communicated.

Lou Schott March 19, 2013 at 05:11 pm

To: Jeff,
Do you have a last name?

Jeff March 19, 2013 at 05:17 pm

I do, but I also do not know you. A name does not make a person known well enough to share. I took an interest in this thread not because of your original post, but for the communication string regarding it.

Lou Schott March 19, 2013 at 05:25 pm

Jeff,
Do you know my last name? Can we level the playing field first? Lou Schott Here is one of my websites. https://sites.google.com/site/tnl30000/ You can read what I have been interested in since 1980.

Jeff March 19, 2013 at 06:05 pm

Sorry if you're not comfortable communicating with someone without knowing their last name, but you put yours out there as a community advocate. I am not interested in being a public figure. I glanced at your site, and honestly, it reminds me of the same ideas I've seen over the decades in troubleshooting committees and corporate change missions. Not saying it doesn't work, in fact I've seen these things work incredibly well, but it does require that everyone is on board and is trained, with real world exercises and regular, creative meetings. Because it requires these things, it's not an effective idea for this forum, as every worker, housewife, student, constituent, etc. either doesn't have either the time, energy or aptitude; and nevermind the organization, to meet regularly either online or in person to work within a corporate change model.
Also, you're outside the scope of your original intent. Are you here to advocate your model for change, or to raise awareness about the mayors? Since you continuously point back to your model for change, and reuse respectful, but seemingly canned responses, you come across as inaccessible and corporate. This is not working well, as you've probably noticed. You need to start speaking to people here as you would your friends and family. Please take this the right way, but you come off as trying to set yourself up as someone to be listened to or followed, rather than a neighbor to discuss opinions and options.

Lou Schott March 19, 2013 at 06:08 pm

To: Jeff,
I defer to your leadership. Will you be showing us how to handle things?

Jeff March 19, 2013 at 06:22 pm

Sorry - Your soapbox, not mine.
Your response does show that you're trying to set yourself up as a leader, to show people how to handle things (per your site), rather than being here as a neighbor to discuss the Mayoral issue you brought up. Thanks for coming clean on that. Now, what is your agenda. Training, or discussing the mayors?

Lou Schott March 19, 2013 at 09:42 pm

Hi Jeff,
You ask, "What is your agenda ... ?" If you look at all of my posts then you will see that I ask a lot of questions. I use the process that put a man on the moon. Please see the following link. https://sites.google.com/site/tnl30000/groups/build-team-players/analyze-and-guide Are you still interested? Or, am I wasting my time with you?

Jeff March 19, 2013 at 11:04 pm

You still communicate like a corporate motivational broken record with no opinion of your own. Yes, you are wasting your time with me, as I have no interest in your self promotion. Good luck in your quest.