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Poll: Where Do You Stand on the Natatorium Issue?

Cuyahoga Falls Patch wants to hear from its readers as city officials decide whether or not same-sex, married couples should be entitled to family-rate memberships at the fitness center.

 

 

The Natatorium’s rules currently don’t allow for same-sex married couples to obtain discounted, family-rate gym memberships.

After reviewing the matter, lawyers at the ACLU say there’s no law stopping the city fitness center from recognizing gay married couples as families, according to the Akron Beacon Journal.

Mayor Don Robart, the Cuyahoga Falls City Council and Law Director Paul Janis are currently looking into the issue and are figuring out how it should be handled and who should handle it.

  • Where do you stand?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • For. The gym's rules should be changed to recognize same-sex, married couples as families.
        1057 (33%)
    • Against. Same-sex marriage isn’t legal in Ohio, so the Natatorium shouldn’t be pressured to change their operating procedures.
        1581 (49%)
    • I don't care either way.
        552 (17%)
    Total votes: 3190
  • This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: Gay Rights, Natatorium Health and Fitness Center, coty may, cuyahoga falls city council, law director paul janis, mayor don robart, and shane may

Mindy Davis

8:40 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

I'm sorry, but this is just wrong. Everyone should be able to enjoy a membership at the Nat, and no more than you should ban a certain race or enthnicity, should you pass judgement on who can use the facility. Sad and archaic. Get with it CF!

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Paul

10:04 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

THe Nat isnt saying they cant use the Nat.Should the city superseed over a state law?

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John Olesky

11:15 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Let's make it simple. Everyone who lives at the same address, regardless of marital status, should get the family rate. It wouldn't matter whether they are married, or just siblings living together, or couples. Since 25% of the people living together are NOT married in this country today, it's time for the Nat to join the 21st century and be realistic. Besides, the Nat's finances are not in that good a shape and can use the money from extra same-address groups showing up.

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SDieringer

8:28 am on Friday, February 3, 2012

Everyone can enjoy a membership at the Nat. The Nat didn't take away either gentleman's membership, they upheld the law in the State of Ohio - which does not legalize gay marriage, and therefore, these gentleman should not receive the family package. The Nat is not banning anyone.

James

8:48 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

If the married couple has the proper documentation. Then they should get the family rate. That simple. Not matter the gender.

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Paul

10:05 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Even if that state has said that that union is breaking the law?

Kellie Patterson

9:13 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

To be fair, no one is banning anyone. But the difference in these two paying as individuals versus family is $130/year. The cost of the scum bag-er attorney to issue an opinion had to be three times this amount, at least! So the options were- take their $610 for a family membership or spend thousands fighting the ACLU. My God, one of these guys risked his life for us and this is the thanks he gets? Despicable!

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Barbara

5:57 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

I agree with you, Kellie!
I don't get it. Why can people be so ignorant?

Lynette Calvin

9:51 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

I think we need to see what the law is and then be obedient to whatever that law is. In the interim we need to be still and respect that it is being looked into.

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Kristina D.

10:37 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

So it doesn't matter if the law is outdated? If there was a law that said a black woman couldn't marry a white man, what would you think then?

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Kate Bigam

11:22 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Lawyers have already looked into it, from the ACLU & elsewhere. If you ask me, the city is using the "We're getting a legal opinion" line as an excuse to slow down the process & put it off as long as possible.

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Sandee

8:49 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

It's not against the law in Ohio or anywhere else to recognize same sex couples as a family, same sex couples cannot legally marry in this state, but a legal marriage does not constitute a family

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Paul

4:20 am on Friday, February 3, 2012

The law is the State of Ohio does not regonize gay marriage as being legal.

Lauren

10:23 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

It doesn't matter if it legal or illegal. They were married legally so why is it such a problem? There is no reason to tell a MARRIED couple they cannot do a family pass. T shouldn't matter if they are gay straight black white ect.. They are married, and legally married. So I don't see the issue, other than ignorant and judgmental people. Let people live their life how they want , get over your selves! Honest to god.

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michelle

10:27 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

What is this country coming to? We take God out of our schools and now we have increase in violence and bullying rampid in them. We try taking God off our money and we are suffering from one of the worse economical crisis our country has faced. If we go taking God out of our morals and marriage....what do you think will happen? We have got to start standing and saying no somewhere. This should not be allowed.

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Leigh

10:31 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Michelle, with all due respect, those are your morals and should not be implemented on others who do not subscribe to that type of thought. We all have the right to be viewed as equal and deserving.

Leigh

10:29 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

My family has an annual membership at the Nat and they have many outdate and poor policies. They need to rethink a lot of how that place is ran.

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Erin Haren

10:34 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Marriage is between one man and one woman. PERIOD. We must keep God in this...that is how He defined marriage!

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Leigh

10:37 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

The Natatorium isn't a place of worship and religion isn't a factor here. It's about the law being fair.

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Kristina D.

11:03 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

I agree with Leigh, religion has NOTHING to do with this issue. It's about equality for every man and every woman, no matter who they love or who they have in their family.

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John McMillan

8:40 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Please keep God and religion out of this, they are irrelevant in this case. Not everyone subscribes to your beliefs, so please don't insist that everyone follow these "rules" that you are reciting. Everyone should be treated equally as a worthy human being, with equal rights for all. PERIOD.

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SDieringer

8:39 am on Friday, February 3, 2012

I agree with Erin. This issue is a Godly issue as Satan is using this instance to influence the world in a negative way and to create hate between those people of the world and those who follow and believe in Jesus. The law of the State of Ohio is clear. And, I support the law, I support the mayor's decision to not recognize a gay couple as a legally married couple and the Nat for upholding it's rules, but above all, I honor God's law. I'm not perfect, I'm not without sin, but I know Jesus and I am working on living my life for Jesus. I pray for everyone posting on this page and those who are actually involved in this issue that God's justice prevails and that those who don't know Jesus, come to know Him and seek forgiveness for their sins.

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VIKKI CORCELLI

11:11 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

ARE YOU KIDDING ME...REALLY!!! GOD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING ABLE TO GET A FREAKIN MEMBERSHIP TO THE FALLS NATATORIUM!!!!!!! IF YOU ASK ME IT IS ALL ABOUT CONTROL, IMAGE AND DISCRIMINATION THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CF WAY! I HAVE LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE. THRU THE "CAUCASION FALLS" AND NOW "THE ANTI GAY FALLS" I AM SICK, SAD AND ANGRY!!!!! LETS GET REAL PEOPLE..IF YOU WANT TO BRING "GOD" INTO THIS..."ARENT WE ALL GODS CHILDREN"?? LOVE THOU BROTHER,

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Chris

1:02 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

Vikki - Once again, we must reiterate to you the actual debate - because them not getting a membership IS NOT THE DEBATE. They CAN GET a MEMBERSHIP to the Nat. Whenever they want. The DEBATE is about whether or not their marriage, which is NOT recognized legally by the STATE OF OHIO, QUALIFIES them to save $50 and get a FAMILY membership.

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Pastor Chris

1:35 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

This dialogue is very intriquing. Vickie if you read all the posts I answered all of your questions already. First, this is not discrimination nor a violation of rights. They can & actually do have a membership to the Nat. Second, please realize this is about beliefs. The gay marriage side says we are imposing our views upon them (which have been the traditional values of our nation and community from its existence, not to mention for most civilzations, and from the origins of history). But if gay marriage is defined as marriage or as family then it violates my beliefs. You impose your views upon me. So do not be mistaken it is a belief system. Third, you brought up God's Children. If you really believe we are all God's Children where do you get that from? What is the basis of your statement. For the Scriptures say we are not all God's Children. Only those under the Jewish law in the Old Testament and those who are now in Christ under the New Covenant are children of God. When we accept Christ's death for our sin upon the cross we become children of God and the Holy Spirit adopts us as Children of God is what the Scriptures say. So unless you accept what Christ did...die for our sins you are not a child of God. As children of God we acknowledge that Chrsit died for sin. That means we are not to blatantly live in sin or condone sin. Marriage is God's way. A true child of God cannot condone sin, anything against his ways. If marriage is redefined it is sin.

Kristina D.

10:39 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Other gyms in the area recognize same sex couples as married, so I don't see what the big deal is. I see this as being an archaic law that needs to be changed. Someday same sex marriage will be legal all over the US and what is going to happen then? I don't see what it hurts to change the policy. It is discrimination.

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Bill

11:33 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

There are also a lot of gyms in the area and around Ohio that follow State laws just like the Nat, check into it the Nat is by far not the only one.

michelle

10:42 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

If any of you consider yourself a Christian than you would know what the answer to be..it has nothing to do with legality or being judgemental or any of the other things mentioned. We have let our country go to Satan because we want to be politically correct. Well I'm telling you now, political correctness is what has ruined our country and has created this moral deprived society that we live in. Yes we should love everyone...that is what we are commanded to do but God did not say we should condone that which is against his teachings. We keep going down this road that we are on then we are no better than animals. Stop and think, people. When our country was ran with the foundation that our forefathers put into practice ...we were a great country. Now we are just a country that doesn't stand for anything.

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Kate Bigam

10:47 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Michelle, religious views don't belong in the law. Period. Find a real argument.

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Kristina D.

11:05 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Please tell me how we, "were a great country" back then? It IS being judgemental and your religion has NOTHING to do with this issue. Those may be your belifes, but they have no business in the law. You can't force your beliefs on other people, period.

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annie41183

11:54 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

I hardly think that our country was "a great country" when our forefathers owned and put slaves to work, and women couldn't vote. Our country was meant to change and evolve, hence the Womens movement and the Civil Rights movement. It's time time for Robart to go.

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Dana

3:18 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Ummm...you know that denying them a discount to a gym won't stop them from being gay, right? I don't think the Bible said "Thou shalt not give gym membership discounts to sinners." If that's the case, we'd all be paying full price, honey.

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John McMillan

8:41 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

That "argument" just makes me want to barf.

Kate Bigam

10:53 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

There's no excuse for this sort of discrimination, period. Couples with a valid marriage license or partnership to sprove their domestic partnership should be recognized as such. If you've been playing along, you'll have noticed that NOTHING in state law would prevent this gym from extending family memberships to same-sex couples, whether they choose only to offer it to those who were legally married elsewhere or go with some of metric.

State law is NOT the point here, just a convenient distraction that the opposition is using as an excuse. The point is that our hometown city gym writing discrimination into its policies, & we should all be ashamed of it. Cuyahoga Falls is better than this, & this story is quickly becoming a black mark upon our city. This would be so easy to resolve - if only the mayor & City Council would look beyond their own bigotry.

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Chris

11:08 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Stop with the bigotry thing. Over it already. If someone has an issue with that lifestyle because of their religious beliefs it is not being a bigot. And in this great nation, we have a right to our Christian beliefs, whether your like them or not.

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Kate Bigam

11:26 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

You have a right to your beliefs. it doesn't mean they don't make you a bigot.

Ashley

10:56 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

This is just making CF look like an intolerant place to live. No thanks.

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Paul

4:22 am on Friday, February 3, 2012

No,it shows they obey laws.

Austin Seip

11:02 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Wonder if the NAT would deny a straight couple that had a marriage license from another state

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Paul

4:23 am on Friday, February 3, 2012

Once again you people are coming down on the Nat for obeying a state law..if you dont like it change the law.

Kristina D.

11:06 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Look at what happened back in the summer with Rockin' on the River and the Mayor's obvious distaste with hoodlum children who dressed differently. This is a case of the city of Cuyahoga Falls and the mayor discriminating against what they don't agree with as "normal". The longer I live in this city, the more I hate it.

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Chris

11:14 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

I love the Falls. And kids don't need to be down there running around after 8 p.m. while adults are drinking. Where do you get hoodlum children dressing differently? A lot of middle school kids wearing jeans and t-shirts were flooding the riverfront without parents - Not my daughter! And parents that are allowing it are asking for a problem. If you hate it here so much, feel free to move to Akron or Barberton.

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Benjamin Vaughan

11:22 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

I believe he said they were goth and had piercings. Then he tried to insight fear in the community by saying that they were drug dealers from Akron.

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Sandee

8:59 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

do you really think it was because they dressed differently...really, it was about the trouble being caused by those kids, the crime, and fighting, ruining it for others who go to have a nice time, meet friends and listen to good music

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Paul

4:25 am on Friday, February 3, 2012

Once again you have no idea what your talking about,they felt the curfew was needed because underage teens were beating up other teens,lawsuits came about because of the beatings do your research before you start putting down cities which you know not.

Chris

11:08 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Religious views don't belong in the law, eh? What do you people think this country was founded on? What morals do anyone have anymore? We pat every other religion on the back and say, "Welcome to our Country! We are not bias here! All religions are welcome and we will do everything in our power not to offend you.....Well, unless you're Christian, then you're just racist." This country was founded and based on Judeo-Christian principles and is rapidly going town the toilet financially and morally since religion has been on your attack.

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Kristina D.

11:13 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

The country was founded on FREEDOM OF RELIGION, meaning that you are free to practice whatever religion you'd like and the government cannot force you to practice what they believe is the right religion. With that being said, you should have the freedom to choose NOT to have a religion. Separation of church and state is for a reason, which is very clear here.

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Ashley

11:18 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

I am Christian and support gay marriage. I find it immoral to discriminate against this couple. There are many different kinds of Christians, Jews, and points of view on what 'morals' mean.

Angie Wallace

11:10 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

The nat should be a place for physical fitness not to debate whether or not one is legally married or how sexual orientation is played out in family structure!

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mhs

11:10 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Right on Chris!!!! FINALLY people are getting it!!

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mary beck

11:14 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Let them join as a married couple!

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Sandee

9:02 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

let them join as a family

melanie zaidman

11:16 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Every person has the rite to be treated fairly and equally...no matter what race,creed,color,sexual orientation or SAME SEX MARRIAGE. I have joined a gym with my sons that promotes equality.

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Chris

11:18 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Kristina, Separation of church and state is not a law. Know of what you speak. It was only mentioned in a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to the Banbury Baptists in 1802. It gets so much hype from people, like yourself, people start thinking it is somewhere written into our constitution. Study harder.

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Kristina D.

11:26 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

I must have missed the part where I said it was a law? Maybe you should re-read what I wrote again.

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Kate Bigam

11:26 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Um, are you serious? Have you ever taken a look at the Constitution? The phrase itself may not be there, but that's the summation of the Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment. Please read a book.

Benjamin Vaughan

11:18 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

I was looking forward to finally getting a membership after all this was resolved but the Mayor's persistence to try to fight this is revolting. There isn't a law preventing it. It says it right there yet he still isn't ready to take that step. Perhaps he has hopes for a presidential run and doesn't want something like this to come back to haunt him.

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Cait V

11:37 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Man, news from Cuyahoga Falls is bumming me out. This shouldn't even be an issue-- they're legally married, they should get the pass. I don't believe heterosexual couples have to pass a stronger marriage validity test than that...

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John McMillan

8:46 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

I agree with you, Cait, this should really be a NON-ISSUE.

Nancy J.

11:42 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Too many people speak out of their ignorance. Based upon personal experience, I see the need for others to embrace diversity and show tolerance towards EVERYONE so people can live true to themselves. For example, my ex was influenced by society to marry a woman, have children, and lead the heterosexual lifestyle, only to come out as a gay male later in life and divorce. What if that ended up being the outcome of your marriage? Trust me, it is not desirable. Therefore, the ideologies behind many of the comments on here hold absolutely no water with me. What people do in their bedroom, whether it is a heterosexual or homosexual couple, is none of my business. Making it your business by saying these individuals should not be acknowledged as families is just weird. Why should you care what someone does in his or her bedroom? I find this very odd.

I am in my late forties, a devout Christian and have a close spiritual relationship with God. I can rest assured that God would not appreciate bigotry, or hatred, toward any of his creations. Get with it people, as ignorance is no longer an acceptable answer.

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Richard Mangrum

11:52 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Standing on God's word about this or any other sin is not bigotry or hatred. It is love shown through the proclamation of the truth. Not my truth, God's truth as expressed in His word. He will ultimately be the judge of each man and living in continual, unrepentant denail of His will, results in separation from God. If you are a Christian, the hating thing to do is allow that separation to happen while remaining silent. I don't care what happens in someone's bedroom. I do care what happens to their soul. I will not hate my fellow man by remaining silent when that silence is complicit in their separtion from God. Judgement, absolutely not. Love, absolutely yes.

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Nancy J.

12:15 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Richard, your head is in the sand and your rhetoric holds no value. You, along with a vast majority, pick and choose what ideologies you see as "God's word." Religion is largely based off interpretation, as we all know. As my mother told me when I was a little girl, "treat others as you wish to be treated." Plain and simple: same-sex couples DESERVE THE SAME RIGHTS as heterosexual couples.

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Sandee

9:07 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

PLEASE someone else say "AMEN", I'm in complete agreement, you could not have said this better

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SDieringer

8:58 am on Friday, February 3, 2012

I don't and won't say Amen to this. You all really need to get out your bible and read it. Don't just assume what is says - study it, research it, learn it and live it. Stop allowing the world and your own selfishness (picking and choosing what is right and what is wrong based upon what suits you) to influence how you want to take the word of God. If every so called Christian did this, there wouldn't be so many posts claiming to be a Christian and then supporting a worldview. God is about love and yes He loves all people, just like he calls His children to do, but He does NOT condone sin - all sin, not just what He wants to see as sin like the world does. This issue is important as it shows how many people are of the world and separated from God. This truly saddens me.

michelle

11:44 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Oh, and Kate. Those clauses you're referring to were added long after our forefathers founded this country. You may want to read a book yourself?

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Kate Bigam

11:52 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

I fear you truly have no idea what you're speaking about. The same people who wrote the Constitution wrote the First Amendment. Separation of church & state was spearheaded by Thomas Jefferson - one of those founding forefathers.

michelle

11:45 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

So if you want to promote equality? Does that mean the Nat should start allowing sex offenders etc in too? It's funny how people want to use "equality" as a means to an argument but forget about it when it doesn't convenience them ....

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Ashley

11:51 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

You can't seriously be comparing same-sex MARRIAGE to sex offenders. One is done out of love and respect for his/her partner. The other is done out of perversion and utter disregard for the victim. I honestly don't understand how recognizing a legal marriage is any threat to the foundation of your faith or your every day life.

I just can't wrap my head around this comparison of a sex offender to same-sex marriage. Do you think you should get a postcard notification when a gay person moves in near you like we do for sex offenders?

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Ashley

11:55 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Also, I don't follow your argument about 'equality when it's convenient' this in no way conveniences me or many of those for gay rights. I am married to a man and have no horse in this race.

I just think it's fair and right to recognize their marriage certificate.

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Sandee

9:11 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

HUGE difference, and you know exactly what it is, sex offenders offend, this couple is no threat to you or anyone else, one of them is a veteran, fought and was injured in Iraq

Richard Mangrum

11:45 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

To say that because a Christian holds to their beliefs and does not want to institutionalize acceptance of same-sex marriage makes them judgmental is totally incorrect. We are commanded to love all and not to judge. But, we can't make our own rules or be silent in the face of an afront on God's word. That would make us hypocritical and not loving to allow somene to not hear the truth we know. Laws are laws because of morality and morality largely comes from ones belief system i.e. faith and religion. The duly elected legislature, acting on behalf of the people they represent has decided that marriage is defined as heterosexual in Ohio. The state, city and its agencies are under no obligation to recognize otherwise. I harbor no malice toward same-sex couples, I do not hold their sin differently than mine. But, we are a nation of laws, based on our morality, which in large part is from the Judeo Christain faith. I speak out against this family membership not to judge, but to love. I show this love by letting the truth be known. The truth is not relative, and it is no less true because some don't want it to be. It is simply the truth of the word of God by which the founding father's of this nation subscribed. Separation of Church and State was never intended to take God out of anything but to make sure He was able to be included in everything. Only man and those elevating themselves to Godlike status assume the authority to do differently based on personal preferences.

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Kristen V. Erickson

11:54 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

You are incorrect, Richard. It is not simply the truth but simply your interpretation of God's words.

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Kate Bigam

11:54 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

I, too, feel this is an affront to God's word, but clearly in a different way. Regardless, you won't see me throwing my religious views into the mix. Religion should have nothing to do with public policy.

Nancy J.

11:47 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

I do not understand your argument, Michelle. We are discussing sexual orientation, not sex offenders. (There are straight sex offenders. Should we, as heterosexuals, be banned from the Nat., too?) Your ability for a higher level of thinking is clouded. I am finished.

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Bill

11:48 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Yes the Nat could just change it's policy but instead go by what the State of Ohio recognizes as Law. So do a lot of other gyms in Ohio. If you do not like the Nat policies then simply do not go there. They are not telling you you can't work out there they are just following there policy. Companies do have the right to there own policy and you do not have to like it or use it. That simple. Make the change at the State level or go after every gym with the same policy.

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Kate Bigam

11:53 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

You're right. We should all accept the status quo as it is, even when we feel its discriminatory & hurtful.

Come on. if this were the case, black & white people would still be drinking out of separate drinking fountains. It's called activism. People do it. We're from Cuyahoga falls, so we're focusing on the Cuyahoga Falls Nat - other gyms don't factoer into this equation for now.

michelle

11:48 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

And the Nat. Never said they couldn't join, people. They just can't join ad a couple. So their rights are not being descriminated upon. If the Nat said they couldn't join period. Then that would be descrimination.

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Kate Bigam

11:54 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

I think perhaps you're not clear on what disc rimination means. Equal rights means EQUAL.

Keena Tomko

11:53 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

How can they legally deny equal access to a legally married couple? Ohio law doesn't allow them to marry (we need to fix that) but it doesn't forbid equal access. The Nat is a public facility; they don't have a legal defense to refuse.

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Angie Wallace

11:58 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Michelle, you aren't even close to what it's all about! Sex offenders, really? You my dear are ignorant! I am heterosexual, married with three children. I am appalled that you would even place that as an argument to the issue, STUPID! They just want to use the facility where the Distict of Columbia ( D.C.) issued their marriage license to recognize their rights as a family, after all, this is where our politicians conviene and pass laws! It's not about ones morals, it's about their rights! You may have a child that will by no choice of yours could be gay, how will you feel then? Stop loving them? Then you can't be Christian! Get a grip, it's a gym membership, not a brothel!

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Richard Mangrum

12:07 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

The laws of any particular city are irrelevant except as they relate to the state law. To say that Washington D.C. laws has something to do with national law is incorrect and misleading. And, it is irrelevant. Anything not expressly reserved for Congress in the Consitution is "States Rights". Ohio has every right to define marriage as it sees fit no matter what D.C., Mass, VT, or any other state or govenment says.

Richard Mangrum

12:02 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

I throw so-to-speak my religious views into the mix because it is a part of why I believe the Ohio law should be upheld. And, I'm not discriminating against anyone. Let them join, just not as a family. As far as interpretation of God's words, I don't know how you could read the Bible and come up with something different about same-sex relationships. It is very clear how God feels about this. To say that we must separate our belief system from public policy is ludacrous. Public policy is nothing but what we believe. I am a citizen of CF and have a belief system that guides my decisions on support of the city's various policies. Disregarding that is totalitarianism and discriminatory. Who's being judgmental now?

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Ashley

12:28 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

The Bible mentioned homosexuality 6-7 times, caring for the poor and oppressed dozens of times, and loving one another hundreds of times.

To say the the Bible is 'clear' on the issue is vexing, especially when taking into account the context of the verses.

Kristen V. Erickson

12:07 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

"I'm not discriminating against anyone. Let them join, just not as a family"

How is this not discrimination, though? How is not recognizing their marriage as valid NOT discrimination?

"As far as interpretation of God's words, I don't know how you could read the Bible and come up with something different about same-sex relationships. It is very clear how God feels about this."

It is very clear to YOU how God feels about this. Surely you understand that not everyone is a Christian and not everyone believes the same things you do. Perhaps this isn't the country for you.

"Who's being judgmental now?"

Still you.

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Paul

4:38 am on Friday, February 3, 2012

Gods word in the bible says people of the same sex shouldnt be having it together,so it would be bettter to jeep that out of this argument.

Lauren U

12:08 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

I'm so disheartened by this display of discrimination. Apparently we really didn't learn anything from the civil rights movement. What is even sadder is the amount of people defending this as a 'moral' decision. I don't know about your Christian church but mine (Catholic by the way) taught me to accept ALL people and that it is not my job to judge others. This couple's marriage IS legal, we don't have to have the same law in Ohio as DC (although I think we should), but we should be expected to at least honor the differing laws within our one country. I end by asking the city of Cuyahoga Falls and the Natatorium to update their regulations and expand their definition of 'family'.

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Richard Mangrum

12:19 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

It should be clear from previous comments that I don't judge anyone. And I don't hold myself above anyone. I do stand on the right in this nation to proclaim the truth which is not dependent on my interpretation and cannot be morally relative to each individual. It is a unilateral standard set by God and just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it's not the truth. Ohio has the right to not recognize this relationship because it is contradictory to our law. I respectfully request the City Council and Mayor's Office to uphold our law and not allow this attack on the definition of family to proceed. I wish all here, detractors included, much peace and hope that you are all able to someday find the joy that I know through acceptance of His forgiveness and a committment to live your life according to His will as expressed in His Word. Not mine or anyone elses.

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Kate Bigam

12:25 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

That's actually not clear at all.

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Nancy J.

12:28 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

The federal, state, and local government has a legitimate right in my view to get involved with insuring that people, whether they're men, women or black or white or gay or straight, have certain basic civil rights, period.

They pay their taxes. They're good citizens. They vote. They are a functioning members of a community. What difference does it make if you are gay or straight? To me, it's none.

Chris

12:53 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

I feel bad that so many people have such a secular world view of this. I think we hear so much about relative topics relating to discrimition, riacism, and civil rights that people are afraid to stand up for what they believe, and even good Christians stray from the truth in the Word of God because it makes sense to the world. They choose to 'interpret' what is easiest for us to live with and not be chastised. And of course, most of us know a gay couple or individual, and when you try to tack on your 'moral compass' it is harder because they are our friends and loved ones. I can love those friends of mine, very very much - just does not mean I have to agree with their lifestyle choices. That absolutely does not make me a bigot or any other word you choose to call me. Richard, Michelle, hang on to what you know to be the truth....and bless to our understanding the reading of His Word.

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Kate Bigam

12:57 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Chris, I don't have a secular worldview of this. I just don't think my religious views are necessary to the conversation. Your faith does not have a monopoly on views toward equal rights - a number of religions are welcoming & accepting & fight for the rights of all people, regardless of sexual orientation. I feel proud to call myself a member of one such faith - but again, it's not relevant to this conversation. Religion is personal.

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Pastor Chris

4:47 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Chris you are correct this is a secular worldview be promoted. And Kate it also is religious. Secularism is a form of belief system and is therefore a religion in its own way. Sexual orientation and how one views it is greatly impacted by ones worldview. When you go beyond sexual orientation and then try to redefine marriage you are also dealing with worldview. A religious person can hold a secular worldview. But a person who is a true follower of Christ is not following Christ unless they hold to a Biblical worldview. A Biblical worldview is not compatible with a secular worldview. That is why this is divisive. A secular worldview holds that man makes the rules, a Biblical worldview recognizes that God created us and He has established His ways that are best for society...marriage was His idea and He defined it. That is the worldview that we should embrace as what is best for our community. No matter how you look at this topic...all of us are forming our opinions based on worldview. That is why this is so divisive!

Chris

1:33 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Kate and all, this is a social issue. It is 100% personal by one's interpretation of legal marriage. No one is being denied membership to the Nat. The constitution of the state of Ohio has defines marriage as a union between one man and one woman. The nat should honor that law and honor the view of marriage that founded this great nation and other great civilizations throughout history. What is sad is that this social issue is be forced upon our culture, so based upon your beliefs, religion or otherwise, is very pertinent to the writing of the law. No one is denying anyone the right to live their life as they choose. We need to stand up for what is right...marriage is one of those things. People's religion/belief system are what is keeping this issue the way it is in the State of Ohio...its been on the ballot I believe.

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Kate Bigam

1:39 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Respectfully, Chris, if the law said you couldn't marry your significant other, I doubt you'd be claiming, "No one is denying anyone the right to live their life as they choose."

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Nancy J.

2:13 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Chris, you stated, "What is sad is that this social issue is be forced upon our culture..." You are absolutely right in the sense that the heterosexual lifestyle has been forced upon our culture as the only thing that is normal. It has been forced to such a great deal that gays and lesbians cannot live their lives openly without bigotry from others. Read my earlier posts to gain a better understanding.

Kristina D.

2:01 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

So I guess what you're saying is that you don't like gays or lesbians? So when you shower in a gym are you so paranoid that a lesbian is checking you out? What about all those lesbians that go to the nat and shower now...how does that have ANYTHING to do with marriage? You don't even make any sense!

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Susan Ruiz Patton

2:02 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Adult in the room here. Folks, our terms of use require you to use your real name, not a few initials or a nickname. Please comply with our rules.
It's a great debate going on with lots of different viewpoints, but please conduct yourselves as if you were a guest in somebody else's living room. Thanks!

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Adam C. Miller

2:04 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Some of you have waaaaay too much time on your hands!

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John Deike

2:06 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Hello everyone. I've had to delete a few posts that weren't very tactful. Thank you for contributing your opinions so far, and please continue to do so in a respectful manner.

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Kimberley Diamond

2:07 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

As a child that was raised in the falls with gay parents who were together until my dad passed a few years ago 27 years, this is completely ridiculous, it still brings money to the city and beyond that we are in the 21st century. Who has the right to determine what a family is? I was raised by 2 gay men who gave me everything including discipline, taught me self worth, and also to fight for what I think is right. God loves us all no matter the race,gender, or sexual orientation I was taught to treat others with respect, we have soldiers hiding who they are from this government, fighting for this very freedom, the divorce ratio amongst straight couples is double that of gays and after my parents being together 27 years they still couldn't marry, this goes far above a Nat membership, this is about equal rights across the board... Despite the facts I have a friend who her and her boyfriend and their child hand a family mrmbership but they are not married it seems

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Nancy J.

2:23 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

What a beautiful story, Kimberly. My ex-ex-husbund, who happens to be gay, is an AMAZING father to my children. He's likely a better father than most of my friends' husbuands who need constant nagging to man up. It was frustrating in the beginning when he came out, but I could not have asked for things to turn out better than what they did. I would expect for the Nat. to give him and his partner a family rate so my children would be able to visit the facility at the same cost as a heterosexual couple. My children should not be penalized for having two loving fathers.

Kimberley Diamond

2:09 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

The Nat picks and chooses as they see fit, I smell a nasty lawsuit coming and I know who I will stand behind!

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Bill

2:15 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Kim believe me they are not worried about a law suit here, companies have the right to there policies. Again the Nat is not in the minority with this policy, if you call around and check other gyms there is a lot more that stand by this policy then the few that people keep pointing out like Twinsburg and the YMCA. Call around check for yourself.

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John McMillan

9:21 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Bill, unless you are one of the Nat's attorneys, I really don't think you know what you're talking about. Sure, a company has a right to establish its own policies, as long as they're not DISCRIMINATORY! And it doesn't matter what everyone else is doing, if it's found to be wrong, it's wrong for everyone.

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Bill

7:51 am on Friday, February 3, 2012

John, no one is stop them from getting a membership here.

Adam C. Miller

2:26 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Some of you have waaaaaay too much time on your hands!

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mhs

2:28 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Kristen, I never said they were out to grope or assault anyone that would be illegal and immoral, and for some one saying they were comfortable in exibiting them selves in that type of setting as a straight person. Well...I would have to question your views. but like I said. If that's your thing then great. I wish you happiness. But (i and a lot of straight folks) Do not wish to put on a show. and this is about the same sex folks tring to warp marriage onto something its not. I have been happly married for 30 years and it is to a person of the opposite sex. Just like it should be. And.. it is only "Adam and Eve" that can have procreation and offspring to perpetuate our species on this planet like nature intended and to do so in MARRIAGE. It's Not Adam and Steve. Or Amanda and Eve. So why say they are married in the first place when they are not.. and can not be. That's not only a lot of folks view its the laws of man and nature. (and we won't mention religion)

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Kristina D.

2:33 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

So you say you're not bringing religion into it...yet you mention Adam and Eve? How is that not doing so? You just don't like gay people, plain and simple. And two sexes joining together DOES happen in nature...do you recall the story from the Toronto Zoo about the 2 male penguins?

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Kristen V. Erickson

3:24 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

"and for some one saying they were comfortable in exibiting them selves in that type of setting as a straight person. Well...I would have to question your views."

You would have to question my views on what? Being naked in front of gay people? Well, since you asked, the views were okay. Some of the naked gay people weren't that attractive, and then the views weren't so great. But mostly the views were pretty good.

mhs

2:44 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Kristina, please read about the cities of Sodam and Gomorrah. You may be shocked

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Kristina D.

2:53 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

You are just as bad as a racist who doesn't like black people, mhs. Your prejudice just applies to gays or lesbians. I have read the bible and that story, and I have my own personal beliefs. I treat people with decency and respect, no matter who they choose to love or marry and it is not fair to discriminate against someone who chooses to love someone else of the same sex.

mhs

3:00 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

I'm not discriminating against any one! My complaint is THESE people who want to shove "their" beliefs down the rest of our necks and MAKE us respect their ways while tramping all over ours. I'm straight. Do I go into a gay city and try to force my views? NO! SO DON'T DO IT TO MINE!

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Kate Bigam

3:08 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

"A gay city"? This is actually laughable. There's no such thing as "a gay city." As you well know, gay people - GASP! - live among us, living the same sort of mundane, everyday lives you & I lead. Referring to 'a gay city" is akin to speaking of "a black city" or "a Jewish city" - they simply don't exist. Cities are full of people of all colors, creeds, religions, & sexual orientations. As such, our laws should support & respect them all.

Asking for same-sex marriages - legal, in this case - to be recognized in no way tramps upon your views.

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Kristina D.

3:30 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Please tell me where this "gay city" is...because I think those people are a lot nicer than the people here! The more you talk, the less you make sense, mhs. I have news for you, there have always been gay or lesbians, but it was not as widely known as it is now. You must live very paranoid, being so afraid of gay people as you are!

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John McMillan

9:02 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

OMG you did NOT just say that your rights as a heterosexual are being infringed upon, did you? You really have NO idea how it is in real life...

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Nancy J.

11:42 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Well stated, Kate and Kristina!

Adam C. Miller

3:05 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

"Folks, our terms of use require you to use your real name, not a few initials or a nickname. Please comply with our rules. " -Falls Patch

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Tara

3:39 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

My mom and her friend moved in together as friends due to financial issues. Also with the woman's 2 children and they also are denied to get a family pass. They both pay rent and signed a lease to live in a house in cuyahoga falls yet they cannot get a family pass. Married or not married they live in the same household. Truely not right. When questioning the city they're concerns we're completely ignored.

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Bill

3:48 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

I know it sucks but they are a buisness and just like any buisness they need to make money to survive. They just can't let anyone who lives together be considered a family. We live in a college area where students live together, coworkers live together, all kinds of different people living together you just can't satisfy everyone thats why there are policies in place. I could easily say I live with so and so just to get a discount....get it?

Tara

3:53 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

you could say that but when both of their names are signed on the lease they have legal documents that puts them under the same household. they both pay to live in the same house. I do see what you're saying... I could understand if I lived here and wanted my friend to get a pass with me just to save money, but she lived in another city, that would not be right. but they pay to live in the same house same city. why should they be separated fr everyone else?

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Bill

3:57 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Tara I agree but there will always be exceptions, I used to live in an apartment with 2 other people and all our names were on lease that didn't make us a family. There have been many people caught lying about being a family, living in the city to get city rate, for just about everyone that has a legit complaint there are ones trying to scam the system. Again thats why there are policies, once you start doing it by an individual bases you open yourself up to well ou let them do it why not us.

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Bill

3:59 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Some typos from typing on cell phone, sorry!

Tara

4:11 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

I'm not going to argue about it because it's not my choice. I believe it's all wrong. & My main concerns is people of the community have a problem/concern. (Mind you this happened nearly a year ago before this all broke out) and they go to the city and state their concerns and are completely ignored. Common courtesy would be to at lest reply with a respectful no.

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Pastor Chris

4:36 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

I have watched this unfold throughout the day. This issue is causing a huge moral divide in our nation and now in our community. It is divisive. So who is causing the division? Who is pressing this? Who is making this an issue? The LGBT agenda is forcing this issue, making it a divisive topic. Marriage does not need to be redefined. Marriage needs to be honored. Cannot good people of this awesome community not stand up for something as wholesome as marriage? Those defending marriage are not bigots or haters. Those defending marriage are simply defending the institution of marriage back to its origins. Marriage is a worthy cause to be defended. It is something we should be united on. We need to hold on to some good things in our society, this is one of them. If the city of Cuyahoga Falls caves in to pressure and bullying it will be a huge injustice! We need to stand united for marriage - one man with one woman. That is the will of the people of the State of Ohio! It is also the will of God...but I have noted many of you arguing fail to recognize His authority!

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John McMillan

9:11 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Please don't argue that heterosexual marriage is honored and respected as "wholesome" by straight society. People like Kim Kardashian, and the producers of shows like The Bachelor & The Bachelorette have made a mockery of the institution, not the gays! This is happening all over the country, resulting in an exceedingly high divorce rate among heterosexuals. A better approach to preserving the "sanctity" of marriage would be to make divorce illegal!

Kristina D.

4:41 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

If you want to stand tall for marriage, then you do so...but we who believe that the policy is wrong will also stand up for what we believe in. It is not just a LGBT issue, the policy discriminates against other types of families as well. Not every person in Ohio believes in God.

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Pastor Chris

4:50 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Everyone please take a look at the Ohio Constitution and the marriage amendment...we need to honor the law of the land. Additionally, everyone please research and discover the motto of our State. This may help us all place our focus where it needs to be...returning to God!

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Tristran Thorn

5:02 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Listen, this is for all you people talking about God and bringing your religion (which i will safely assume is based on fear, as most organized religion is) into this conversation. Doesn't "God" love all his "children?" How do you answer that question? Step outside of your religious babble for two seconds, stop capitalizing the 'h' in him and actually give me an answer. What are gay people doing to marriage that bothers you so much? How does it hurt you? How does it affect your day to day life? Why can't you just be happy, accepting, and loving of all other people the way "God" wants you to? You religious people always use your psycho babble bull because you're too scared to say anything else. It's really pathetic.

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Chris

11:11 am on Friday, February 3, 2012

Ok Tristan. I will answer those questions above, and as Christopher pointed out below, you will likely not understand them, because he did indeed answer your questions. You just don't understand the answers. First I will apologize that when speaking of our Lord and Savior, you find capitalizing the 'H' offensive. This is called honoring Him. God does love all His children. Absolutely. And He wants them without sin. Homosexuality is sin as stated in the bible. What hurts those who believe what the bible says is that we truly want all God's children to live a faithful life and be saved. How it affects my day to day life is that we all try to walk the walk so to speak, and bring others to know Christ. We are happy and accepting and loving of all people the way God wants us to, we just do not have to agree with the behavior. There is no psycho babble here, but I am sure that you still do not understand, since you keep putting the word God in quotes as if he does not exist.

Tristran Thorn

5:27 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Okaaaay. Well, thank you for proving my exact point.

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Pastor Chris

5:28 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Glad you asked. God is love. Love cost Christ His life. Christ came as an atonement for our sin. All sin. God's ways have always been best for the world, but we rejected God and His ways. This is what is happening here. We are rejecting God. This rejection of God is ultimately why God had to make a way for us. God loves us so much that He made a way for us to know Him. But sin had to be dealt with. Jesus paid for our sins...an act of love. But for us to remain in sin, condone sin, or accept sin is an insult to the love of God. This has nothing to do with fear but everything to do with true love - The love of God. I do not expect those who do not know God to understand. For only in Christ does it become clear. But Christ said, "Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand." This is all about love. As for being a child of God. Not everyone is a child or son of God. We are all sons of Adam...or mankind. We are all sons of sin. Only through Jesus, the second Adam do we become children or sons of God. So it is embracing Christ and following Him...placing our faith in Him that one becomes a child of God. Again, I am not expecting you to understand this. It is my hope that someone through this writing will come to Christ and to live for Him. Turn form sin and Trust in Christ through faith. John 3:16 says, 'For God so loved the world that He sent his Son, whoever believes in Him has eternal life." Read John 3:17-18...those who reject Him condemn themselves.

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Tristran Thorn

5:28 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

And also, thank you for not answering a single one of my questions. I kind of assumed you wouldn't be able to.

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mhs

6:00 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Adam C Miller. My parents loved a writer named Ian Fleming who pened a few books in the early 1950's. Called James Bond (ya. That one). My legal name is the letter "M". Who was a character in the books then the movies. As to the other 2 letters. That is my middle name and last name and I will not put the whole thing here. And as to Tristran. God Does love ALL the children of Christ. But Man is not God. And as to answer you question of what is it doing to the men and women who choose to be MARRIED and have children the way NATURE intended and that a CIVILISED country and its people choose to do. It's a slap to our face. So please. If you plan to have a war of whits. Please come armed next time.

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Kristina D.

7:28 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

That's hysterical! The person who says there is a "Gay City" wants to have a war of whits! Nothing you say makes any sense to anyone but yourself!

Bill

6:25 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Adam...imagine that a policy...just saying.

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William

6:26 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Leviticus 18:22 (KJV)
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Nuff Said.

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Kristen V. Erickson

6:28 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Other 'winners' from Leviticus:

"If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death."

"If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."

I'm glad we're not taking these two literally, though, because then there'd be a lot more murder going on around here.

Kristen V. Erickson

6:28 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Speaking of which, who gets to decide which quotes from the Bible we put into practice and which we don't? Can I get on that panel? Seems like a fun job!

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Shane May

6:49 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

I have been trying to keep off this topic and poll but Kristen I have no idea who you are but Kudos to you for everything you have stated on here. There is so much hate and your responses back have made me smile. Just felt like sharing :)

William

6:30 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Its up to you. You have to answer for your life & choices.

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Kristen V. Erickson

7:00 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

Shane, I'm glad! Sometimes it feels like spittin' in the wind, but if I made you smile, it's all been worth it.

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Raymond Skocir

9:42 pm on Thursday, February 2, 2012

I think the last time I was in a court room someone put there left hand on a bible ... In god we trust.. I pledge allegiance to ... But leave religion out of it ...good luck ....Change the state law first then work your way down to the nat .. But the nat does need to change there description of the family plan.. But then they will complain about that...So

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Wanda Minor

10:46 am on Friday, February 3, 2012

The last time I was in court (January 2011), I had to raise my right hand and swear to tell the truth. No bible was involved. Further:

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.

In its original form it read:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

In 1923, the words, "the Flag of the United States of America" were added. At this time it read:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Lastly, Ohio state law recognizes out of state marriages, but makes the exception for gay marriage. Nothing like designing a law specifically to hurt people.

David

6:54 am on Friday, February 3, 2012

If this is about the money, I will gladly contribute to a fund that would pay for Veterans to use the Natatorium for free. But, if this is about advancing a political or sexual agenda, then he needs to either join another facility that has different policies, or become an entrepreneur and open his own fitness club. That is his promise to pursue happiness.
I know the American family has continued to struggle as the moral fabric of our society decays, but I will not willingly be apart of its further decline. If being "married" to a same sex partner is that important, then move to the state that offers that lifestyle recognition. (The 10th amendment gives Ohio the power to define marriage). But to wrongly accuse me and others that are trying to uphold America's traditional family values in the face of moral relativism as being haters, just does not hold water. Kristen seems to do a good job of reading the bible, but a not so great job in understanding and interpreting. If she understands the bible as she claims to, she would know that we are under a new covenant through Christ and that we are no longer under the Levitical law. So stop cherry piking verses and get to a bible based church where a Pastor and Sunday school teacher can help you know the truth in context.

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Mj

8:49 am on Friday, February 3, 2012

I will be cancelling my family's membership to the Natatorium if they change their policy. Their are hundreds of gay couples in our area and many severely injured Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans, and I have never seen an issue so minuscule get so much attention. We all have opinions and I am sick and tired of these people who are not even the ones involved or don't even live in the area, complaining and harassing our hard working city officials over an issue that is almost laughable. The Police officer standing post, because of some protest when my kids and I went swimming was the final straw. The Police and Mayor have better things to do. Take your vulgar, disrespectful minions somewhere else. Grow up and act like adults and stop crying over spilled milk.

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Kate Bigam

10:45 am on Friday, February 3, 2012

I'm so tired of people saying that if we don't live in the area, our views don't count. The couple at the heart of this issue is FROM CUYAHOGA FALLS, despite living in Akron now, as am I - living elsewhere because my boyfriend is IN THE MILITARY that you claim to have such respect for. Why are our opinions any less valid?

The mayor has nothing better to do, frankly, than give our city a good name.

Nancy J.

10:04 am on Friday, February 3, 2012

The ONLINE POLL IS SKEWED, as someone apparently altered the percentages in a VERY short period of time. Get real!

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Wanda Minor

10:48 am on Friday, February 3, 2012

I noticed this too. I bet if you check the Patch's stat counter you'll see a lot of hits from city hall and the board of elections!

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Kate Bigam

10:52 am on Friday, February 3, 2012

Either that, or one of these evangelicals sent it out to their networks... disappointing.

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Chris

11:00 am on Friday, February 3, 2012

Yet, not disappointing, Kate, when you said earlier that you sent it out to your secular network. Interesting.

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Kate Bigam

11:08 am on Friday, February 3, 2012

Chris, I mean I'm disappointed that the numbers have changed to favor discrimination, not necessarily that I'm disappointed that someone fought to get it this way. We all have the right to our activism, even if I don't agree with your views.

For the record? My network is not secular. I work for a religious organization. But you know what they say about the word "assume."

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John McMillan

9:04 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

acckkkk...typical behavior from zealots who insist everybody agree with their opinion. This totally invalidates the percentages and the poll itself. Very immature behavior. It was interesting to see how the voting was going...now it means absolutely nothing...

Chris

11:17 am on Friday, February 3, 2012

Kate, sorry you still see it as being discriminatory. On a lighter note, truly, I would like to know where your blog is, as I saw someone mention it. I am appreciative of people who can state their views and have half a brain. Not to say that I don't disagree with you on some issues, but think its possible we may see eye to eye on others. Would like to see your blog. Sorry to go off the beaten path. Blessings.

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Kate Bigam

11:31 am on Friday, February 3, 2012

Hi, Chris. I hope I'm not opening myself up to a lot of angry readers by posting this here, but my blog is www.suburbansweetheart.com. I don't usually write about politics, so you should be safe. ;) Thanks for asking!

Shane May

12:36 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

Last time I checked this page was at 11:14pm. So between the hours of 11:15pm and 9:00am almost 1,300 people logged onto this page to vote no? Wow, I think we need to start a poll and find out how many citizens of Cuyahoga Falls suffer from insomnia because that seems like a ton of restless sleepers. This is a poll on a news website do not be discouraged it has absolutely nothing to do with the real issue at hand. All this did was allow people to badger back and forth with each other and spread their hate messages for the two minutes of fame they wanted. Some of the people on here should honestly be ashamed of themselves for the language they have used and putting individuals down. I am 22 years old and do not even speak the way many have on here towards another individual. What is this teaching your children? To bully and not like someone because they are not like you? Such a disgrace.

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Adam C. Miller

12:55 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

It's a friggin gym pass lol Shane, you guys should get a family pass, but I am in no position to say who is right or who is wrong! Valid points on both ends.

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Pastor Chris

2:54 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

I have enjoyed watching this unfold. Things have been heated, but for the most part they have been civil. Somethings that have been written I totally disagree with. There are even some remarks that have been made supporting marriage as one man and one woman that I do not agree with the approach and delivery. But over all...I hope all realize this is not about being against something...it is about being for something. Is it bad to defend traditional family values that this nation was founded upon. I realize times have changed. I realize from a secular perspective this seems like the right thing to do. But can someone on the other side, supporting same sex marriage not acknowledge the same. Can you not see some validity in supporting marriage from a traditional perspective. I hope you can.

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Kate Bigam

2:56 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

There are a lot of heated issues I can see the other side of - even issues as testy as gun control & reproductive choice. On civil rights? No. There is, frankly, no other valid side to this argument, as far as I'm concerned. Anything but full equality is bigotry.

emily

3:11 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

All they want is a family membership. Could they go to another gym, sure. Should they have to, no. This isn't about saving money on discount passes. This is about discrimination. From the way they were treated by the staff to the way the mayor is handling the issue. I find it very hard to believe that there is no way they could make accommodations, or figure out a way in their system to give them a family membership. You can quote the bible, you can bring up Ohio laws, but really in the end this is discrimination..and no amount of facts about laws, and quotes about Gods word could change my thoughts.

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Bill

3:22 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

Maybe they should change there policies, maybe they should just do away with the family pass, the guest pass, the custodial pass and the city rate and just charge everyone the same price. Maybe they should also charge a sign up fee like other facilities. As far as the way they were treated by the staff unless you were there you have no room to talk and unless you have worked that job you have no room to talk. The staff there does they best they can and deal with a lot of ......., even Kate would have to agree with that! I for one am not for or against this issue I am just tired of the Nat bashing. Its simple you don't like it don't go there.

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emily

3:32 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

Well I'm taking this as an account from their story that I saw all on the news, on their Facebook page, change.org,.. they obviously wouldn't take this story to this level unless they felt discriminated against. I'm not speaking out against all those who are associated with the Nat, but the business itself.

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Raymond Skocir

6:31 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

Hey Wanda I had my 7 year old ( who attends a cf school by the way ) say the pledge of allegiance for me and it says one nation under God so make sure to quote all your dates correctly ... So I'm sure your now going to tell us when it was removed from our schools...

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Kate Bigam

9:17 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

You're correct. In 2010, the Ninth Circuit upheld a ruling that keeps "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. In 2011, the Supreme Court refused to hear the case.

Mj

11:26 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

I've heard these guys do not even live in the city of Cuyahoga Falls. Why don't they go get their; "two minutes of fame" in the city where they live. Additionally, not one person could corroborate their story about the alleged employee who said their marriage; "wasn't considered real". Lastly, the scuttlebutt around town is that this was a very well planned media blitz to "bring awareness" to Ohio's "gay agenda". Channel 3 News has been contacted will multiple sources that can attest to this, they will be running a counter story in the coming weeks.

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Kate Bigam

11:29 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

No, Coty & Shane do not live in Ohio; they live in Akron. No one is trying to hide this fact; it's been in every story about them. That said, Shane grew up in Cuyahoga Falls & graduated from CFHS. Aren't we allowed to give a damn about our hometowns?

As far as a "well-planned media blitz," I'm flattered. Shane & I pulled the call-in day together in less than a week & did all the promotions for it ourselves. if that's all it takes to be called a "well-planned media blitz" promoting whatever "gay agenda" you speak of, I guess it doesn't take much. I welcome Channel 3 to contact either Shane or me regarding our organization of the call-in day & any other events surrounding our opposition to the Nat's current policies. We'd be more than happy to speak with them at length.

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Shane May

12:49 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Hold onto yourself this one may be a shocker. We do not live in Cuyahoga Falls as every newspaper, internet and television report has stated. But here is another shocker for you, really you may need to brace yourself, out of the 22 years I have been alive I have spent almost 20 years in Cuyahoga Falls. So I guess that makes it my hometown. Our home that we just purchased sits right on the border of Cuyahoga Falls and Akron. Actually half my road is considered Cuyahoga Falls and half is Akron. Next time I will make sure to purchase a home on the opposite side of the street so this whole issue makes sense since you obviously have to live within a city at that moment to make the argument real. As for the employee who told us our marriage was not real, I could call up her daughter and get her mother's phone number for you if you would like to speak to her personally seeing as I went to high school with her daughter. She was not some random made up stranger at the facility I know her which hurts even more. Lastly, the buzz around town that you speak of as this being a very well planned media blitz about the gay agenda is completely ridiculous. You may want to contact Channel 3 news and ask who reached out to who. I had reporters hounding me via telephone and email to get a story. Never once have we reached out to a source and said "Report about us!". So please take this back to "your" community for which you speak for and let them know what really happened.

Mj

12:43 am on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Where do we stand?
Against. Same-sex marriage isn’t legal in Ohio, so the Natatorium shouldn’t be pressured to change their operating procedures by a bunch of attention seeking non-residents. The residents of Cuyahoga Falls overwhelmingly support our mayor and the policies of taxpayer owned establishments throughout our great city. Stay away from my kids.

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Kristina D.

9:05 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

You should take the "we" out of this and also, "the residents of Cuyahoga Falls" because I am a resident of Cuyahoga Falls and I do not support this policy! Nor do I have such fear and hatred of gays and lesbians that you obviously do by your last sentence. I hope your kids grow up better than the hatred and prejudice that you teach them!

John McMillan

10:43 am on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Your last sentence very clearly shows your ignorance and the reasons for your unfounded fear and prejudice concerning this issue. I wouldn't be surprised if you were at least partially responsible for the skewing and invalidating of this poll.

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Frank N

12:10 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

And Mj, please stay away from my kids. Your disgusting hatred and frayed morality of judgement and generalization of what you think "everyone" feels in Cuyahoga Falls is exactly why this backward community is deteriorating while new generations look to build their lives elsewhere. You sit and spew hatred masked as "religious morality" when in fact there is not one Christian element in that entire argument. The "gay agenda", of people desiring basic civil rights in this country, what this country was founded on, along with freedom of religion, also a constitutional element, is no one's place to be voting on. As I understand it, all Christians are in fact sinners. So before you go throwing any stones, why don't you take a look at yourself.

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MJ

2:27 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

I am not religious. I never mentioned religion.

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Derek Arnold

8:36 am on Friday, February 10, 2012

I am ok with same-sex couples being recognized as a familial unit. I am also ok with cohabitating opposite sex unmarried couples and same or opposite sex roommates being recognized as a familial unit.

However, the law in Ohio (which I voted against--it should have never been a constitutional amendment) says that the City has no legal obligation to recognize these couples.

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