jim aspen - iowa

carolo - wisconsin

beth norquist - florida

It is ridiculous to think that Romney does not support equal pay for equal work for women. This is just a smoke screen to distract from the Presidents terrible record.

Ed you are correct. The entire "War on Women" is a farce! We are all Americans.

were at war with who ???

Murphy-Silly

May I suggest that you actually read what the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act actually accomplished. You may actually see how ridiculous the rant above is.

Nassman, the only thing the act will accomplish is to reduce the number of females in the work force. Unintended consequences from a ill devised useless act. There is no issue with equal pay.

Robert you are one of the few left who still think 100 posts with links to useless dribble and your brand of vile insults to anyone who does not share your liberal agenda is going to switch anyones vote,
wake up obamas ship is sinking fast and all the insults in the world is not going to stop it ................... so go ahead and insult away and prove my point

robert, you can check where i'm posting from

i also welcome all opinions and discussions - but not those posting from other locations who are just posting to as many patch across the country to entice anger and spread propaganda and spam

civil discussion is preferred by most on here and is not being found, and these other people have changed the tone of what was once a better place for us to either read (as i had mainly done) or write (as some have quit doing because of the negativity, bullying and insults)

you may think it is a waste of time to post their state, but it is helpful to other readers to know if these are really our regions readers or just people with an agenda; if from outside, they really don't care about a real debate of issues, only to insult us

this applies to those supporting both candidates

Adam,
Just because you -- or anyone else on Patch -- registered in one city, doesn't mean you/they are from that city or live there now, does it?

Get a life, Adam! You obviously don't have one!

Coming back to see whether there were any new intelligible posts in this forum, I found some but too few, and none here. I couldn't care less where someone posts from. If someone has a reasoned statement, I'll give it a fair reading and then decide whether it changes anything for me. Ad hominum attacks like yours, tom m, don't qualify for anything but to prove more intolerant people than me are out there. Your insult proves it. Adam...I really don't care where you're from, but since it matters so much to you, why don't you just say? You're so concerned about where everyone else is from. You don't own Patch, and neither do the trolls who seem to have multiplied in recent weeks. If you really want it, keep it. But some of you folks need to do some serious soul-searching. Maybe you should take up a hobby. If tit-for-tat insults are your thing, you have my sympathy, but you no longer have my attention. And Tom...it's been unreal.

adam - solon,ohio

robert, if you are comfortable being fed this propaganda (and yes, that is what it is, check any definition) and spam (again, that is what it is, check any definition), that is your choice; i think these characters belong on a national forum, not a local one

adam, if you are comfortable spouting this propaganda (and yes, that is what it is, check any definition) and spam (again, that is what it is, check any definition), that is your choice; if you actually believe it...well...there's nothing anyone can say to you. Hardening of the attitudes isn't going to fix what's wrong in this country...and neither is Mitt.

what a coincidence
we are to believe that this jean hoffman just happened to start posting on our regions patch with the exact same comment that mark peterson, california, is in the middle of posting all over the country?
see his comment and remember to add 3hours to the time of posting, since it is california - then its easy to see who is one in the same
http://alameda.patch.com/users/mark-peterson-3f6d5d8b/comments

guess they don't like being outed

PATCH THIS IS SPAM

and aka beth norquist (florida) - check the time of the same comment going out to other patch across the country
http://dunedin.patch.com/users/beth-norquist/comments

one big happy family
mark peterson
joseph robert
jean hoffman
beth norquist

who else, or should i say who next and where next will you register from?

must be a campaign worker

Adam, It's none of your business, but Jean and Mark (that's me) are a couple, and we have homes in Ohio and California. We can post either place if we want, so there. And, I don't control or know where Jean posts.

You must have a litmus test for who can post on a Patch site, huh! Sounds a bit Marxist to be! (Like Romney forcing employers to tell their employees where they can vote. That's sick, too.)

And, how do we know where YOU live, Mr. Adam? Is your last name "Lenin" by chance?

Get a life, Adam, instead of trolling for who may be who on Patch!

joseph, i see you dumped the
mark peterson
name and went back to using joseph robert, so now all of those posts that had been from mark now show your name; just so people won't be looking at an empty link, here is the new link to his listing of spam comments that also come from beth norquist and jean hoffman
http://alameda.patch.com/users/joseph-robert/comments

and beth norquist is a daughter? all 4 of you post the same spam, often at the same time

between all 4 of you, you must own over 80 homes
what other person is a long lost relative

jean hoffman - aka mark peterson, california

more spam

Government does not create private sector jobs. Government can create conditions conducive to private sector job formation. This why some states like Texas are prospering and other states like Michigan are having a more difficult time.
Private sector Jobs are the key to prosperity. Full employment is the best way to solve gov. revenue problems, and full employment will put the middle class on the road to prosperity. Romney understands how jobs are created- he has done it. The President does not understand how the capitalist free market system works, how it creates jobs or how it creates social wealth.
You can throw around all of the numbers you want about Romney's plan but the bottom line is that the President failed from day one to understand the importance of getting America back to work, even when he had a democrat House and Senate. It is time for new leadership

what I find funny is the number one democratic state California has 5,00 gas and rolling blackouts

Oil and gas certainly are important to Texas,but more important is creating a business friendly atmosphere which is conducive to capital investment and creative ideas. Texas last year was voted the most business friendly state in the union. More fortune 500 companies are moving their headquarters to Texas than any other state in the union, more people are moving to Texas than any other state in the union, and last year 30% of all of the jobs in the U.S. were created in Texas. Texas has no state income tax and has no municipal income taxes and no death taxes.
In Texas,minimum wage jobs and uninsured rates are a function of illegal immigration which is a continuing problem for the border states.
Global competition is a problem for the U.S. but there is more at play than cheap wages. We have one of the most productive work forces in the world and we could be more competitive but government actions--taxation, anti-business legislation,anti-business regulation, anti-business litigation and unreasonable union rules that force inefficient work practices can suck the vitality out of our competitive spirit.
The primary function of Bain is to buy ailing companies,turn them around and sell them for a profit. Most of these companies are on the road to failure-- some can be saved and some are beyond saving. The good thing about this process is that when companies can be turned around, jobs are saved and many times more jobs are created.

Does his church threaten imprisonment if he does not pay?

MZ, as you'll read in the post (http://kirkland.patch.com/blog_posts/heaven-taxes-mitt-romneys-mormon-riddle), no, but the LDS Church does deny members honored benefits if they do not tithe.

trent latta - washington

this is spam

Trent, your analogy drawing comparisons between tithing and taxes is hilarious.

Most Christian denominations require tithing, as do most Muslim Sects and Jewish ones for that matter. As a matter of fact, most social clubs require dues. Unions require dues to remain in good standing. The difference is that these houses of worship, clubs, and unions CAN’T PUT YOU IN JAIL. You have a CHOICE. You can join, or not. You can stop at any time if you don’t agree with the organization for any reason, or for no reason at all. I think you get my point.

Try a little harder next time.

"Republicans could not care less about environmental issues." You paint with a rather broad brush don't you?

But you are probably correct. Last week at the super secret conservative meeting we spent 2.5 hours discussing ways to poison the air and water. Not only do we "not care" about the environment, we hate it. But Jeff, keep fighting the good fight, maybe you can save the "environment from total destruction." But not if we have our way.

PS. I just kicked a bunny!

That is not a fair blanket statement about Republicans. The environment is very important to all Americans. Most Republicans do feel that if we don,t get the economy straightened out the U.S. will not have the financial ability to solve environmental problems.

Hey Murphy-- don't get me wrong, NE Ohio is a great place to live, with great assets like our magnificent lake. The problem is we have not had bold visionary leadership from our politicians to run things correctly and to create an atmosphere conducive to job retention and creation. Speaking of Lake Erie --This is one of the greatest assets an area could have, yet we have failed miserably to use it to make our area more attractive to new residents.
I agree with you --natural gas will be very important to us in the next 20 years

Ed, for the most part that is an exceptional comment. There appear to be more and more regulations (both state and federal) regarding fracking. I haven't seen any signs of deregulation of the industry, but perhaps I have missed them.

Fracking will be very important to the economic future of Ohio. It not important to have lots of regulations but it is important to have the right regulations to insure quality professional operators and procedures.
I will use my Texas example again--Fracking has been in use there for over a decade and the gas business is booming. This is not new unknown technology, it has been in use for a long time.

"Fracking will be very important to the economic future of Ohio." - Ed Oliveros

Only if we can drink gas.

You won't have water to drink without the energy needed to purify it and deliver it.

Water will get you through times of no gas, better than...

WOW I guess thats payback for throwing his wife under the bus ,
WAY TO GO BILL

the rats are already leaving the sinking ship

Are you really reading the entire quote ? Do you not really grasp what he was trying to express ?

Ed are you really that dense??? what do you think the NBC edition means (I am a blonde and even I got it)

kim l.....calling me dense is really bold coming from someone who doesn't seem to grasp the reasoning behind Clintons comments. NO ONE IN THE WORLD THINKS THE ECONOMY IS FIXED INCLUDING THE PRESIDENT. GET IT ? Try to grasp the entire comment instead of fixating on what you want to hear, you obnoxious twit.

actually Ed you just made a fool out of yourself again ....Kim was correct about the nbc comment ...which you still do not get,since you are so dense I will explain it to you like a 2 year old NBC has made a habit of cutting/splicing videos of romney all summer and taking what he had to say out of context so....this video stops before bills point ...which makes it the NBC edition ...got it Ed you obnoxious twit.

Ed is coming across as an angry desperate liberal he sees the polls and it is causing him to snap at everything,
attacking kim is just another example on the democrats "war on woman"

ed I find it funny that you still use the word "twit" who do you think you are monty python

LOL Kim.
No, the proper Pythonagorian description of you from a "bitter, disillusioned, yet zany Marxist Tycoon" such as Ed F. is a "silly bink". I an a bit "binkinsh" myself so count me in your corner.

. . nyit

Here's another example of a Faux News cropped video. They should get the award for creative news coverage.

It was Romney that said that. m.z.1 and Murphy, would we be better as a nation if instead of 47% it was 57%?

Didn't Obama make a certain "bitter clinger" comment? "How much more decisive can one get?"

Obama said this while in the comfort of closed doors with his buddies... Does that make home a freakin' moron? Was he aware he was running for POTUS? Should that have disqualified him for the position?

Murphy, I agree with you. Politics are divisive.

issues ??? lori you ,I doubt it after your comment "NO ONE could have turned this country around in 4 years ...this is america we can do anything when you have the support of the people, this is a country that only needed 4 years to end WWII with 7.8% unemployment 4 years and 7.8% unemployment and using the line that 5 million jobs created only after losing 5 million jobs which explains the no change in the unemployment rate
but lori explain to me this if obama is so proud of the 5 million new jobs created proving the country is doing so well then where did those 15 million people on food stamps come from (I will give you a hint its the 15 milloin people who fell off the unemployment rolls for loss of benefits/lack of work)

Could it be that we removed a tyrant leader and put no structure in place? Is it possible that we have a completely fractured Libya that has a vacuum of power and can be a safe haven for terrorists in North Africa?

Why would the administration blame a movie? Why would they keep doubling down on that lie? Did they really not know? If they didn't, why not? What would the left be saying if W bombed the hell out of them, then the same attack occurred?

Again I'll ask, is this a cover up, incompetence, or something else?

Since I am naive, perhaps you can enlighten me. Was the administration lying or not?

Is it safe to say that you supported the decision to bomb Libya? Is it safe to say you supported the decision to remove Mubarak? Do you support the Muslim Brotherhood?

We didn't bomb Libya? We're we dropping candy?

So the admin didn't lie, that means they actually thought that there were protests and that the protests were over a movie. The CIA and State new within 24 hours that there were no protests and that it was a terrorist attack. Are you inferring the admin wasn't kept in the loop. Did they not have proper intelligence briefings? We're they lied to?

The admin certainly bombed Libya and was supporting the removal of Mubarak and Kadaffi. My question was if you supported those decisions?

Cruise missiles filled with gum drops ans lollipops!

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/04/us-dropped-76-bombs-libya/36285/

So we did bomb Libya? I thought you said we didn't. Yep, just checked, you said "also we didn't bomb Libya."

I never said anything about agreeing or disagreeing with bombing Libya or supporting or not the ouster of Mubarak. I asked a simple question that you continue to dance around.

Did the administration lie or were they incompetent? What dd they know and when did they know it? Obama lied and people died. All that fun stuff.

Your projections on to me are amusing. You are assuming that you know how my views on Iraq, Libya, Egypt, etc... This conversation started with a few questions. Why the hostility? Why the "you remember us don't you..." comment?

Perhaps it bothers you that Obama and his administration have been caught in a Nixonian lie. Perhaps it is something else altogether. Tough to tell by your responses.

Anyway, I still think they lied, or are incompetent. Decide for yourself which you think is the truth.

MZ ??? which nixonian lie are you refering too ??? fast and furious or the ambassadors death

tom, I was referring to Libyia and the movie Obama and his admin blamed for the "protests" and the ambassadors death. It is feasible to substitute Fast & Furious and the points remain the same if you substitute Holder for Rice.

Murphy, they knew the facts within 24 hours about Libya, so they either lied or are incompetent.

I enjoy the ever so common response of diversion and changing the subject to the Bush years. You do realize he isn't president anymore not you? Is it safe to say that if Obama is elected and anything goes wrong you will continue to point out errors of a previous admin? Did Bush's blunder in Iraq make the current admin lie? For the record, I supported the Iraq war as did the majority of Americans and congress at the start. I don't know where the WMD are or If they existed. Therefore Bush and Co either lied or were horribly incompetent. See, it's not that hard is it?

Also enjoyable is your demeaning "panties in a bunch" comment. Why the need to get nasty? Can't we just have a little polite back and forth without lowering ourselves to grade school style name calling and put downs?

Thanks for letting me know that I don't know or understand American history and/or that my political zeal is blinding me. Anything else you want to let me know about myself?

I clearly have been bested in this discussion. I will slink away now with my tail between my legs and my bunched up panties (is that a little sexist, or a homosexual reference?).

If the admin didn't know what happened (as you imply), why did they blame it on protests about a movie? Why did Obama go in front of the UN and blame a movie? Why were so many members of the admin on all the talking head shows speaking about protests and a movie?

The issue isn't that bad guys in Libya did bad things, the issue is the cover-up, isn't it?

As for being touchy, you may be giving yourself a little too much credit. It matters to me nothing what you think about me. Name calling reflects much more on the one who resorts to it than on the one on the receiving end of it.

Again with the both sides are doing it excuse. If it is proven that the Obama campaign is knowingly soliciting and excepting foreign donations will you denounce those activities? Would it impact your views on Obama at all?

The CIA and state department knew there were no protests within 24 hours. The CIA field office report was submitted within 24 hours.

Without debating Citizens United, there are simple ways to verify IP addresses and using the card number and CVS number to verify the donation is coming from within the US. I am required by the credit card companies to use the full card number, CVS number, and a zip code when I accept payment at my businesses. It is quite simple to do.

It has been reported that the Obama camp accepts donations without the use of a CVS number and without requiring a matching Zip code. These are not from corporations, rather they are from individuals. I will acknowledge that others employ this weak verification process as well.

Again, if it is found out that e Obama admin knowingly accepted foreign donations will you denounce those practices acknowledging how easy it would be to verify that the donations were foreign in origin?

I didn't want to debate because we probably mostly agree. That typically produces a rather boring debate.

In addition, I didn't want to complicate the issue at hand with something only tangentially related. Corporate donations and superPACs from within the US are a different topic than individuals and companies from outside the US. If the citizens united ruling had gone the other way these foreign donations wouldn't have been impacted one bit.

Go Browns! On that we can certainly agree. Have a great remainder of your weekend.